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Monday, May 21, 2012

Baker in Her Own Words (Not mine!!)

I am engaged in a fascinating and frustrating dialogue at Christianity Today's website over this Heidi Baker story. The charge being made is that I am reaching so unfairly by describing Heidi as being part of an apostolic ministry vision known generally as a New Apostolic Reformation. The people who are making this claim simply have not examined the public record. This video below here could not be clearer and it is produced by her own Burn24/7 ministry. This is not Greg Metzger concocting some story or exaggerating some claim. This is her video being described by her people as Heidi Baker being on an "apostolic council". If you watch this video as well as reading their own description you will see for yourself why asking questions about the broader vision of the Bakers, and comparing that with what they said in the CT article, is a perfectly legitimate thing to be doing.


  1. Greg some folks have an impulsive emotional response when a story tugs at the heart strings and they lack the motivation and the discernment to look further than those emotions.

    When those folks seem to doubt you, they are actually struggling to reconcile their emotional response with reality. Unfortunately we often trust our emotions rather than logic or critical thinking.

  2. Greg, it takes courage to stand up for the Truth. You're writing is showing your anger. Don't let the lost discourage your purpose. I wrote an article on the atheist group Freedom from Religion Foundation, and I was unprepared for the terrible backlash and threatening comments. Atheists in a way put themselves as God, and I criticized their god. In a similar way this group is corrupting the Word, and put a council between God and the faithful by exalting themselves in a religious hierarchy as apostles and prophets. When you challenge their lie with truth, you're insulting their council, who have become god-like to their followers, who'll lash out to defend them. The leaders claim to be God's annointed priests who wield the Holy Spirit themselves like it's theirs to control. The group is broken into cells, but are linked. Their agenda is to use their 3rd world ministry to legitimize and spread a distorted, mystical version resembling Christianity with a practice they call "dominionism". They're infiltrating Christian churches and politics and people buy it because the feel good photos from what appears to be traditional mission work, but oblivious to the pagan elements that are anti-missionary. As revelations tells us many will be fooled by false prophets and teachers. Thank you for bringing light to this for me and others. We must be cautious not to undo a true ministry because it's a bit different, but if it's anti-biblical it's anti-Christ and we have to fight with the sword of the word and protect ourselves with the shield of faith, and in ways such as through you, God will reveal His truth to the worthy who seek it. menofmind.com

  3. "I solemnly charge you before God and the Messiah Yeshua, who will judge the living and the dead when he appears and establishes his Kingdom: proclaim the Word! Be on hand with it whether the time seems right or not. Convict, censure and exhort with unfailing patience and with teaching. For the time is coming when people will not have patience for sound teaching, but will cater to their passions and gather around themselves teachers who say whatever their ears itch to hear. Yes, they will stop listening to the truth, but will turn aside to follow myths." ~ Shaul (Paul)

    Carry on my brother in Messiah, you are striking the "bulls eye."