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Tuesday, November 27, 2012

Pentecostal/Charismatic self-criticism

Self-criticism and self-analysis is a sign of health for individuals and groups. Every person and movement is open to growth and prone to temptation and decay. The best and most productive criticism is that which comes from within a movement because it demonstrates clearly that such criticism is not "anti" the cause, but is rather deeply concerned for the integrity of the cause. Because a focus of my writing has been with trends in charismatic and Pentecostal circles some, most notably Samuel Rodriguez, have accused me of being somehow "anti-Pentecostal" or secretly uncomfortable with the growth of Pentecostalism around the world. To those critics I offer these words from Lee Grady, the editor of Charisma magazine which is arguably the flagship publication of the charismatic movement. Grady raises concerns that I have never even touched on in my writing and does so with a level of concern and condemnation that is significant to see.


In some charismatic circles today, people are claiming to have spiritual experiences that involve communication with the dead. One Michigan pastor told me last week that some church leaders he knows promote this bizarre practice…Although little is said about these experiences from the pulpit (since the average believer is not ready to handle this "new revelation"), people in some streams of the prophetic movement are claiming to have visitations…And we are expected to say, "Ooooooo, that's so deep"-and then go looking for our own mystical, beyond-the-grave epiphany. That is creepy….Those who seek counsel from the dead-whether through mediums and séances or in "prophetic visions"-are taking a dangerous step toward demonization.
Not long after ecstasy became known as a recreational drug, someone in our movement got the bright idea to promote spiritual ecstasy as a form of legitimate worship…Recently I told a friend in Pennsylvania that when people get tired of this drug imagery it won't be long before we see some Christians having sexual experiences at the altar. "It's already happening," my friend said. He described a recent "worship concert" in which one of the musicians simulated sex while stroking a microphone and whispering sensual phrases to Jesus. What is next-orgasmic worship? God help us…I know of a case where a man was caught planting fake jewels on the floor of a church. He told his friends he was "seeding the room" to lift the people's faith. I know of others who have been caught putting gold glitter on themselves in a restroom and then running back in a church service, only to claim that God was blessing them with this special favor. Where is the fear of God when Christians would actually fabricate a miracle?
This is a time for all true believers with backbones to draw clear lines between what is godly worship and what is pagan practice.

Wednesday, October 26, 2011

Tony Jones on C. Peter Wagner

Glad to see the Christian leader Tony Jones' blog has a post up about C. Peter Wagner. It is really striking to me how Jones places Wagner's practice of mapping "territorial spirits" all the way back to the 1980s. Given that Wagner left Fuller in 2001, that means that there was over a decade in which one of the leading evangelical seminaries in the world had as one of its lead professors (arguably its most well-known at that time) a man who was pushing what I view as one of the three key novelties of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). The more you consider stories like this the more difficult it becomes to condemn those of us who are concerned that NAR beliefs and practices are impacting the mainstream of evangelicalism.

"Wagner was a professor at Fuller when I was a student there.  I never took a class from him, as I am highly dubious of his brand of Christianity, but many of my peers did.  Wagner’s classes were rife with healings (usually leg-lengthenings) and maps showing the “territorial demons” that had carved up Los Angeles County for their dominions.  He played audio tapes in his class that he had recorded during exorcisms." (emphasis in the original)


The comment section on Jones' post is also very interesting to read. One writer defends Wagner saying "I think if you had a personal conversation with Peter Wagner you might find him to be a nice, gentle and warmhearted guy, who also has an intellectual side to his personality.We don’t have to agree with all of his theology, especially his politics, but we love the 'multiple streams' and perspectives that characterize the Body of Christ." In response, the researcher Bruce Wilson replies "The point, for me at least, concerns not Peter Wagner as a personality but, rather, Wagner’s ideas...I grew up in a Christian tradition which emphasized that the message of Jesus, and the way to follow him, was to work for peace. C. Peter Wagner’s sense of Christianity is very, very, different. He seems to view the church at war–both with entire geographic regions (and the people therein, it would seem) and with whole world religious traditions. There is nothing wrong with evangelizing. But there is a difference, I would submit, between evangelizing and the eradication of all competing belief systems."


These are the kinds of exchanges and discussions we need to have if we are going to really come to grips with this key question: Is Wagner's NAR something Christians should view as "just another stream" or is it something to be resisted as a dangerous trend for both the church and state?

Friday, October 21, 2011

Tabachnick Highlights Conservative Christian Opponents of NAR

Rachel Tabachnick has for good reason become known as the leading critic of the New Apostolic Reformation and her work with Bruce Wilson at Talk to Action has been regularly mentioned by those who appreciate and those who criticize her work. But she recently did something very important, and refreshingly humble, by highlighting the long work of conservative Christians who have been alarmed about NAR's beliefs and practices for years. Like her, I do not agree with the theological commitments of many or even any of these groups, but I want to highlight these groups as well for five reasons:

1) To make clear that way before Perry's Response made NAR and C. Peter Wagner political issues, NAR and C. Peter Wagner were theological issues.


2) To make clear that the attempts by some in the media to make concern over NAR a result of Tabachnick's supposed obsession with the group, rather than a legitimate concern rooted in careful analysis and theological concern, are belied by the fact that these conservative Christian groups have been concerned about NAR for reasons much different from Rachel's.

3) To encourage Christian readers of my blogs to explore the vast literature online about NAR's beliefs for themselves.

4) To challenge directly Wagner's recent prayer letter signaling out Talk to Action as the source of criticism of NAR and stating that they were tools of demonic powers. If she is serving the devil then all these Christian folk are too.

5) To demonstrate the depth of research and analysis that Rachel has engaged in to arrive at her judgments. As she comes under increasing scrutiny, people should know the work that she has put into her reporting.

With those fivethings in mind, here is what Rachel has posted so far about other sources of information about NAR. Neither she or I mean to endorse all these links, but rather want to make them more widely available for consideration.


Years before there were any articles about the New Apostolic Reformation on Talk2Action, numerous conservative Christian websites wrote about the movement and the growth of Dominionism in great detail.   In 2003, when I was beginning to learn about the movement, I followed some of these websites in order to understand their perspective on the movement and continue to read them. I have not used many of them for references in my work in the past, because I am approaching the NAR as a threat to separation of church and state and religious pluralism and not as a critic of the validity of their theology.  I am not recommending or providing verification for the material in the links that follow.  However, this is small sample of a body of media that negates the absurd claims that only liberal or secular writers are concerned about Dominionism, the NAR, and their unique brand of spiritual warfare and apostolic government...

Again, I am not recommending, agreeing with, or verifying the material in the following links. It is not the mission of Talk2action.org to debate theology or to claim superiority of a specific belief system, as seen in some of the following links. Many of these are "discernment" or "apologetics" websites and some view beliefs not in line with their own as heretical. Some are fundamentalists or evangelicals who reject the Charismatic belief altogether, but others are from inside the Charismatic/Pentecostal sector and at least one is Charismatic Catholic.  
Some of these links are from organizations with significant followings and some are from individual writers. There are factual errors in some of these posts linked below. Some are written from a worldview in which the NAR is feared as the apostate church of the end times and even lumped together with "liberal" churches or as a plot of the Catholic church. However, the writers in the links below have monitored the NAR for years and document a long history of concern about the movement from a number of different conservative Christian perspectives.
Links:
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/newapostolic.html
PhotobucketThe posts on the NAR at www.deceptioninthechurch.com go back at least as far as 1998.  
The video at right is produced by Sandy Simpson and the Apologetics Coordination Team.  Read an overview at this website.
http://op.50megs.com/ditc/nardvd.html
Assemblies of God
End Time Revival-Spirit-Led and Spirit-Controlled: A Response Paper to Resolution 16 (2000)
http://ministers.ag.org/pdf/EndtimeRevival.pdf
Lausanne Movement
Deliver Us From Evil Consultation Papers (2000)
Gaining Perspective on Territorial Spirits, by Scott Moreau
http://www.lausanne.org/en/component/content/article.html?id=202
PhotobucketChristianity Today
Do Demons Have Zip Codes? (July 13, 1998)
http://www.ctlibrary.com/ct/1998/july13/8t8057.html
Spiritual Mapping in the United States and Argentina, 1989 - 2005, by René Holvast (2009)
Based on Holvast's dissertation for the University of Utrecht, this is a "comprehensive historical-descriptive approach of both the movement and the concept, with special attention for theological and anthropological concepts."  
The Road to Holocaust: Unchecked the Dominion Theology movement among Christians could lead us - and Israel- to disaster
Hal Lindsey (1989)
Lindsey is a Dispensationalist and graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary.  He wrote in 1989 about the growth of Dominionism, including the introduction of Reconstructionism into Charismatic ministries by way of Gary North and David Chilton.
PhotobucketLet us Reason
This ministry has numerous posts on the NAR, including this on on the Manifest Sons of God theology found in Charismatic Dominionism.
http://www.letusreason.org/latrain1.htm
Seek God
Numerous posts including this one on Manifest Sons of God theology.
http://www.seekgod.ca/warnock.htm
Herescope has posts on Manifest Sons of God theology and numerous other issues concerning the NAR.
http://herescope.blogspot.com/2005/12/bill-hamon-and-manifested-s ons-of-god.html
Herescope 2002 post on "Geographical Heresies of the New Apostolic Reformation"
http://herescope.blogspot.com/2006/02/geographical-heresies-of-ne w-apostolic.html
Herescope post on Rick Perry's The Response
http://herescope.blogspot.com/2011/07/divorcing-baal.html
Discernment-Ministries, Inc.
Sarah Leslie
http://www.discernment-ministries.org/ChristianImperialism.htm
Orrel Steinkamp's work is posted on numerous websites. This website, View From the Bunker begins with this quote, "To Dominionists, Jesus' return to Earth is on hold, waiting for us to conquer it first."
http://vftb.net/?p=3737
Orrel Steinkamp in Critical Issues Commentary in 2001
http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue66b.htm
Counterfeit Revival by Hank Hanegraaff, 1997
Christian Research Institute
"Joel's Army Marches On"
http://www.equip.org/articles/joel-s-army-marches-on
Critique of "Covering Theology"
http://coveringandauthority.com/
Brannon Howse and Worldview Weekend
Howse has regularly featured post on the NAR over the last few months.
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?artic leid=7453  
Promotion for Brannon Howse audio,
Exposing Joel's Army Part One: One news headline recently declared, "Rick Perry bases call for national salvation on `Joel's army' Cult". The New Apostolic Reformation believes in the "Manifested Sons of God" also known as "Joel's Army" or "supermen" a "Superman race" a "new breed". This is the belief that members of the NAR will evolve into literally being Christ on earth, sinless, immortal, and able to raise the dead, Judge the church and nations and form a new government. This is nothing less than New Age, pagan spirituality. The NAR takes Joel 2 out of context to build their "Joel's Army" Gnosticism and yet Governor Perry of Texas is working with NAR members for his August 6, 2011 prayer rally and he is using Joel 2 as the justification for this rally. Why are Christian and pro-family leaders entering into a spiritual enterprise with false teachers that were rejected by the Assemblies of God 40 years ago for its cultish beliefs? Does Perry think his uniting with such paganism will make him more appealing to Christian voters?
Worldview Weekend post on what happened when they spoke to "New Religious Right" leaders about their work with the NAR.
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?artic leid=7615
Ernie Gruen, a charismatic pastor in Kansas City,  compiled a 233-page report on the Kansas City Prophets, which included Mike Bickle, Paul Cain, Bob Jones, and others.  The title of the report is "Documentation of the Aberrant Practices and Teachings of Kansas City Fellowship" and it initiated a huge controversy in 1990.
http://www.birthpangs.org/articles/kcp/kcp-gruen.html
This is the accompanying January 20, 1990 audio of Gruen titled, "Do We Keep Smiling and Say Nothing?"
http://www.archive.org/details/DoWeKeepSmilingAndSayNothingErnieG ruenJan201990
Christian Research Journal on the controversy over the Kansas City Prophets
http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/cri/cri-jrnl/web/crj0044 a.html
Slaughter of the Sheep blog on "The Dominon Mandate"
http://slaughteringthesheep.wordpress.com/2011/10/07/the-dominion -mandate/
Charismatic Chaos, by John MacArthur (1993)
MacArthur described C. Peter Wagner and John Wimber's Third Wave in 1993
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310575729/104-1908450-4011953?v =glance&n=283155&v=glance
Catholic Reason
A Charismatic Catholic critique of the New Apostolic Reformation
http://www.catholicreason.com/shtml/warfare.shtml
Doctrine of Demons, by Tricia Tillin
This is an extensive article in 12 segments about the New Apostolic pardigm and its roots in the Latter Rain Movement.  (Scroll down to "Latter Rain/Sonship & Dominion Teachings.")
http://www.banner.org.uk/
Eastern Regional Watch
New Apostolic Reformation/Second Apostolic Age
http://www.erwm.com/New%20Apostolic%20Reformation.htm
Antipas Ministries
"The Superman Theology of the International Christian Embassy's Feast of Tabernacles"
http://www.antipasministries.com/html/file0000095.htm
The Berean Call
"Damnable Heresies Entering the Church," by Marsha West
http://www.thebereancall.org/node/8639
A Review of C. Peter Wagner's Confronting the Powers, by John F. Hart, Moody Bible Institute, 1997
http://www.faithalone.org/journal/1997i/Hart.html
The Third Wave Worldview: A Biblical Critique
Direction Journal, Fall 2000 (Mennonite Brethren)http://www.directionjournal.org/article/?1055
In Plain Site
"Dominion Theology: The Stench and Foul Smell of Joel's Army"
http://www.inplainsite.org/html/dt3_new_apostolic_reformation.htm l
Pastoral Care Ministries
"Spiritual Mapping: A Misguided Focus on the Demonic," by Leanne Payne
http://www.leannepayne.org/articles/displayarticle.php?articleid= 1
Videos:
Critical Issues Commentary
Roots and Fruits of the New Apostolic Reformation
Part 1A - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8GswRs6tKk&feature=related
Part 3C  - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBu4lmd2fEA&feature=related
Truthseekers
Apostolic Reformation Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKeZTJceyGE
Why Spiritual Warfare Does Not Deliver
http://www.youtube.com/user/endtimesprophetic
The Shocking History of Spiritual Warfare
Overview of Frank Weston Sanford's similar spiritual warfare in the early 1900s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vAm1k22NTg&feature=related

Wednesday, October 19, 2011

Two Cheers and a Jeer for AP story on NAR

Reporting on religion for an internationally read service like the Associated Press must be an enormous challenge. Taking an issue of great complexity and competing interpretations and writing about it for a mass audience would be hard enough; add to the mix misleading statements on the part of major players in the story and you have an even more difficult assignment. Such was the duty Rachel Zoll faced in writing her article on the New Apostolic Reformation, Perry’s Response prayer rally and the broader issue of dominionism. As she says in her article “The task of measuring their influence is complicated by the preachers' wide range of teaching and practice, and by the many different expressions of dominionism under various names.” By taking on this issue seriously she risked the wrath of evangelical leaders, many of whom are, as she says, “incensed by the discussion”. (She helpfully notes that evangelical leaders were also incensed in the 1980s until they finally recognized that dominionism could not simply be dismissed as a “fringe” ideology and decided that “ignoring the stream of thinking” was “no longer an option”.) I have two specific areas of praise for Zoll’s column and one substantive criticism/correction.

TWO CHEERS

I applaud Zoll for breaking out of the “more of the same” narrative that I have challenged for weeks. She clearly recognizes that in NAR and Perry we have a significant development in the story of how some evangelicals are engaging public life and her reporting can be seen as an attempt to show how thoughtful people are trying to wrap their minds around this new phenomena. I can think of any number of commentators—Michael Gerson, Ralph Reed, Jim Wallis, Charlotte Allen, Mark Pinsky come immediately to mind—whose writing on this election cycle would have been immeasurably improved by the kind of careful analysis that Zoll gave to this issue. Instead of simply blaming critics of NAR for the controversy, she shows conclusively that this debate is happening because of Governor Perry’s overt embrace of individuals and institutions with demonstrably extremist views.

The Texas governor opened the door to the discussion with a prayer rally he hosted in August, a week before he announced his run for president. Organizers of the Houston event, such as Lou Engle, leader of The Call prayer marathons, and Mike Bickle, founder of the International House of Prayer in Kansas City, had for several years been under the watch of mostly liberal writers alarmed by the preachers' rhetoric.


I also appreciated the broad range of people that Zoll reached out to for this column. She included analysis from popular figures like Charles Colson, researchers of Pentecostalism like Mel Robeck of Fuller and Randall Stephens of Eastern Nazarene, IVP author Bruce Barron, and a former Fuller Seminary student now professor of religion Anthea Butler. I wish that she had interviewed Rachel Tabachnick for the piece, but she does credit her and Talk2Action.org with raising concerns over C. Peter Wagner (more on this below). All in all Zoll gives evidence of research and study way beyond that shown by any previous commentator or news reporter for a mainstream media source. Before writing or speaking on this election cycle people should, at a bare minimum, read this article.

A JEER

My firm hope is that readers will see Zoll’s piece as a springboard to further reading and reflection, not as an end in itself. Anyone who stops with this article risks missing a very important part of the story: Wagner’s own abundant record of writing and speaking in support of dominionism. This was, I think, Zoll’s most significant error in judgement. For an article specifically about dominionism and NAR’s relationship to its influence, it is disturbing that she shows no evidence of having read Wagner’s book Dominion!. If she had done so, she would have seen that it is Wagner’s standard procedure to make a sharp distinction between theocracy and dominionism—a distinction that allows him to emphatically deny wanting a theocracy while emphatically embracing the mantle of Rushdoony’s dominionism. So it is a major blunder that she allows her analysis of the leader of NAR’s views of dominionism to be reduced to this quote from her interview with Wagner: "There's nobody that I know - there may be some fringe people - who would even advocate a theocracy". She then turns for verification of Wagner’s seemingly anti-dominion stance to Mike Bickle, a leader with a strong vested interest in downplaying anything controversial in his or Wagner's track record. Zoll reports without challenge Bickle's view that Wagner and his key leaders are just “telling people to go influence society. But some of their guys under them are using these hostile terms, like `taking over society”. The combination of Wagner’s and Bickle’s quotes mark the low point in her article. Had she read Wagner’s own book on the subject of dominionism, or seen writing by numerous commentators like myself or Talk2Action.org, she would have known how duplicitous both of these men’s statements are. Wagner, not some underling far removed from his influence, is the one who has in speech after speech said a variation of the following:

Dominion has to do with control. Dominion has to do with rulership. Dominion has to do with authority and subduing and it relates to society. In other words, what the values are in Heaven need to be made manifest here on earth. Dominion means being the head and not the tail. Dominion means ruling as kings. It says in Revelation Chapter 1:6 that He has made us kings and priests - and check the rest of that verse; it says for dominion. So we are kings for dominion.

And it is Wagner, not “some of his guys” who, in his own book written for the express purpose of clarifying statements like the one above, declared:

The practical theology that best builds a foundation under social transformation is dominion theology, sometimes called “Kingdom now.” Its history can be traced through R.J. Rushdoony and Abraham Kuyper to John Calvin. Some of the notable pioneering attempts to apply it in our day have been made by Bob Weiner, Rice Broocks, Dennis Peacocke and others. Unfortunately, the term dominion theology has had to navigate some rough waters in the recent past. A number of my friends, in fact, attempted to dissuade me from using dominion in the title of this book, fearing that some might reject the whole book just because of the title…the best way we can proceed is to affirm and redeem the term dominion theology, not to discard it.

What I have written elsewhere I repeat here for Mike Bickle and anyone else who wants “to deny the ongoing relevance of dominion theology, or try to imply without evidence that Wagner’s dominion theology is nothing to be feared like Rushdoony’s was” that they must “overcome the fact that Wagner has chosen to call his views dominion theology not in spite of major objections to Rushdoony but because of what he sees as his faithful application of Rushdoony’s dominion theology.” I wish Zoll had read these words before writing her column and I hope that when she sees them now she will find a way to correct the record. Allowing Bickle’s and Wagner’s statements to stand uncorrected damages an otherwise helpful essay.



Thursday, October 13, 2011

Wagner's NAR 101: Dominionism, the Demonic and the Death of Mother Teresa



“Within two weeks of the expedition, other things happened which I believe are also connected: the huge fire in Indonesia, the largest Muslim nation; an earthquake destroyed the basilica of Assisi, where the Pope had called a meeting of all world religions; a hurricane destroyed the infamous temple 'Baal-Christ' in Acapulco, Mexico; Princess Diana died, a representative of the British throne, to which Sir Edmund Hillary dedicated Mount Everest; and Mother Teresa died in India.”

In my first two posts in this series on basic NAR beliefs I outlined C. Peter Wagner’s views of the demonic and dominionism. In this third blog I want to explain how these two ideas are intimately connected to each other in Wagner’s thought and, significantly, in NAR practice. Wagner gives a clear summary of this connection in Dominion! (D):

“Satan has polluted the land and cursed it. Satan has deployed high-ranking demonic powers to darken the spiritual atmosphere over society and to block the freedom of heaven flowing to earth. Both of these arenas need to be and can be cleansed spiritually. We have the tools to do it, we have the gifted personnel to do it and we have the power of the Holy Spirit to do it. It will be done! (D, 207)

In order to take dominion, the “high-ranking demonic powers” must be defeated and the territories they rule over “cleansed spiritually”. In Wagner’s worldview these demonic powers can be known, identified and defeated through the new spiritual warfare techniques that God has given to the church in recent decades (see my earlier post on NAR and the demonic). To skeptics Wagner and his NAR apostles and prophets point to very specific and measurable victories they have achieved. The most tangible of these “victories” reads, as Rachel Tabachnick has said, like an Indiana Jones movie script (or a Frank Peretti novel, which Wagner credits with inspiring his spiritual imagination). Tabachnick wrote the piece quoted below in 2008 and it remains the clearest example of how NAR sees dominion advancing through their unique model of spiritual warfare. Stick with it to the end and you will understand  why I referred to the death of Mother Teresa in the title of this post.

It began as a plan for a secret mission that would take place high in the Himalayas.  Twenty-six people traveled from locations around the world including, Mexico, Costa Rica, Colombia, Vietnam, and the United States, and met for the mission in 1997.  For three weeks the teams split and made preparations at base camps at 13,000 and 18,000 feet on Mt. Everest.  Then the teams began the last dangerous ascent to make an assault on their target.  

“Our assignment from God was to take down the foundations of The Great Babylon, the harlot over many waters, who supported the false systems of the world. God clearly showed us where we should go for our main prophetic act by revealing a large, brown stone formation, completely surrounded by walls of ice resembling a castle and shaped exactly like an idol of the Queen of Heaven! This seat of the Mother of the Universe was 20,000 feet high, and to get there we had to cross the ice fall, the most dangerous par of the Everest ascent, with no guide but Him and no help from anyone else other than the angels." Quote from Ana Mendez, Special Task Coordinator, World Prayer Center in C. Peter Wagner’s, Confronting the Queen of Heaven, Colorado Springs, Wagner Publications, 2001. p.51

After the mission they reported that they barely escaped with their lives.

“God told us to leave the camp before 11am, because it was going to be destroyed. We left the camp at 10:30. When we had all reached safety, one of the largest avalanches on record occurred on all three mountainsides around the camp - Everest, Loh-La and Nuptse. The camp was completely destroyed, and the climbing season had to be cancelled. The only flag left on Everest was for Jesus, the King of Kings.” Quote from Ana Mendez, Special Task Coordinator, World Prayer Center [See C. Peter Wagner's account here.]

This is not the latest script for an Indiana Jones sequel.  It is from actual accounts by the lead Apostles and Prophets of the New Apostolic Reformation concerning their first major spiritual warfare mission against the "Queen of Heaven" in 1997.  They later revealed the secret mission and reported it as a great success in attacking this major demon, the Queen of Heaven.
C. Peter Wagner, Convening Apostle of the International Coalition of Apostles, and founder of the New Apostolic Reformation reports,
"Several unmistakable signs in the natural world confirmed that it had been a successful venture and that it had deeply affected the invisible world.  If not the strongest, the Operation Ice Castle would be seen as one of the strongest assaults on the Queen of Heaven ever undertaken by the armies of God."

The results are also celebrated in the testimony of the lead strategist for the operation, Prophetess Ana Mendez, Special Task Coordinator of the World Prayer Center.  The target is identified as, "... a demonic power misinterpreted as Mary by some Christian churches, honoured by Muslims as Fatima, and known to others as Diana or Artemis." The testimonial continues with the dramatic results, "Since then, we have seen millions come to faith in Asia. Pastor Lok Main Bandhari, who had welcomed us to Nepal, then had a church of 70 people. Two years later, his movement had grown to 1,000 churches. Within two weeks of the expedition, other things happened which I believe are also connected: the huge fire in Indonesia, the largest Muslim nation; an earthquake destroyed the basilica of Assisi, where the Pope had called a meeting of all world religions; a hurricane destroyed the infamous temple 'Baal-Christ' in Acapulco, Mexico; Princess Diana died, a representative of the British throne, to which Sir Edmund Hillary dedicated Mount Everest; and Mother Teresa died in India.”




NAR’s Newest Demon—Talk To Action

I guess I should have seen it coming. I have been reading enough of C. Peter Wagner lately to know that he sees the demonic in everything (including the Statue of Liberty), so I should not have been surprised that he has taken to attacking the major source of information available about the New Apostolic Reformation (outside of Wagner’s own house organs, which are notorious for keeping secret basic information). Yet there is something so jarring and spiritually disturbing about his decision to cast Talk To Action as the “voice of the accuser” that I really was surprised when I saw it. Unlike the other objects and ideas that Wagner has consistently and literally demonized, I know many of the writers at Talk To Action. While I do not agree with everything at their website, I have come to value their work and admire their dogged determination to explain what NAR is and why it matters. If NAR were an ordinary Christian organization I would have expected them to respond to the criticisms and concerns expressed by Talk To Action with facts and counterarguments. I would have expected them to contact the writers personally and present their responses to whatever reporting they disagree with. I have had lengthy correspondence and even phone conversations with writers at Talk To Action and I can attest that it is possible to reach them without much trouble. But NAR is anything but a normal Christian organization, NAR has ushered in THE SECOND APOSTOLIC AGE. NAR is THE NEW WINE SKIN FOR THESE END-TIMES. NAR is TAKING OVER THE DEVIL’S TERRITORY AROUND THE WORLD. And since NAR is clearly all of these things, that automatically makes anyone or any institution that criticizes it not merely wrong or mistaken, but the voice of the devil. And since we defeat the devil by prayer, the perfect way to alert people of the sinister works of the devil through Talk To Action is the tried and true form of the prayer letter. Here, then, is a portion of a recent Wagner prayer letter:

       "For those of you who would like to know more of the type of things that are being said and      portrayed concerning Peter and Doris, Cindy Jacobs and Lou Engle, and many others, you can go to www.talk2action.org.  This gives a clear representation of what is being discussed even in conservative Christian arenas.  We need to pray that all false accusations and the voice of the accuser of the brethren be silenced in the name of Jesus! (Emphasis added)  Again, Peter and Doris want to express their sincere gratitude in your faithfulness to stand in intercession on their behalf.  They know without this prayer shield that many situations would not have the breakthroughs and victories they see on a daily basis.  I also want to express how crucial your prayer support is right now for Peter and Doris.  Now is not the time to be lax in our prayers, but remain vigilant on the wall.  Thank you for diligently contending and warring on their behalf. "

What is particularly interesting about this "prayer request" is the way that Wagner has attempted to label Talk To Action as the source for what is being discussed in “conservative Christian arenas”. The reality is that, for all I admire about Talk To Action, their website is anything but representative of the types of concerns that “conservative Christians” have about the New Apostolic Reformation. In fact, many of the posts at their site are about Religious Right groups and individuals not at all about the New Apostolic Reformation. One senses here Wagner’s desire to present criticism of NAR as being criticism of the religious right in general, and to present conservative Christian critics of NAR as being in step with the broader purposes of Talk To Action. Nothing could be further from the truth. For evidence of the difference simply visit these three leading conservative Christian websites that are documenting what they consider to be NAR’s heretical teachings:




Wagner’s demonization of Talk To Action is bad enough; his deceptive presentation of explicitly Christian critics only amplifies the outrage. Wagner and NAR have grown accustom to making their outrageous claims about demons, dominion and the end-times with impunity. As the light begins to shine brighter, and the audacity of their claims is understood and more widely refuted, expect more and more accusations to come from those who claim to be fighting “the accuser of the brethren.(Revelation 12:9)”

Tuesday, October 4, 2011

C. Peter Wagner’s Fresh Air Interview—My Take

I have had the chance to listen intently and carefully to the whole interview Terry Gross did with C. Peter Wagner yesterday and these are the thoughts I wrote while listening:

Terry Gross again showed her gifts as an interviewer. She was prepared and polite, a great combination. She legitimately started the story with the shocking assertions Wagner has made and stands by about the “national demonization” of Japan. This was a good way to start the interview because his theology of dominion, spiritual warfare, apostolic authority are all tied up in this type of thinking. Wagner has clearly received heat for this statement because he makes a disclaimer that his view of Japan is not the view of all apostles in NAR, before going on to give a robust defense of his very thought through view that he thinks justifies his extraordinary assertions about the spiritual reality in which the entire country of Japan lives under. This kind of thinking/proclaiming is not a minor aspect of NAR, but is a regular and ongoing part of their ministry. Anyone affiliated with NAR and/or affiliated apostolic networks who pleads ignorance of this kind of practice is lying. It is part and parcel to their style of ministry. To be an apostle under Wagner is to be a part of this kind of thing explicitly. If a person does not agree with it, then they should not become an apostle with Wagner. It is that simple. 

Wagner also was very forthright about his and NAR’s strong support for The Response. It will be interesting to see if individuals and institutions who have gone to great lengths to smear critics of The Response as being ignorant of evangelicalism will now be equally strong in admitting that they were ignorant of how profoundly The Response was shaped by a movement deeply troubling to mainstream evangelicals I have been in touch with since this interview was aired. Wagner confirms quite clearly that The Response was a significant step forward in NAR’s work in America.

Wagner’s statement about Perry and Alice Patterson is not as forthright. The idea he asserts that Perry would have handed over such a significant role to Patterson in organizing and hosting the event and not have known things about Patterson and her ministry focus begs belief. He did give Perry a nice out though by what he said. I am sure Perry's camp will take it. But the notion that Perry would not have been aware of what Patterson is about will remain hard for people who understand Texas politics and religion to believe.

Great question from Gross; “How can you tell someone is afflicted by a demon?” The kind of thoughtful, careful question that we have come to expect from her.

The way that Wagner talks about Nepal and the mission work there is so destructive to the compassionate work of Christians there. His statement about hearing reports that every person in Nepal who he has ever become a Christian there was possessed by a demon is exactly the kind of literal demonization of others that missionaries today are taught to avoid (or at least those missionaries not a part of NAR are taught to avoid). When are more Christians concerned about the global mission of the Church for peace and justice going to start taking the fight to Wagner? (Here is an example, in this case from South Africa, of Christians who have indeed tried to refute Wagner's influence there.)

His description of American denominations and their democratic polity is so disingenuous, unless he just flat out does not view Catholics as Christians.

It is heartening to hear him own the radical claims about NAR’s view of apostolic government in the church.

He is way less truthful in his characterization of dominion. He makes his charismatic dominionism seem like what most Christians would affirm about the duty to bring and apply Christ’s teachings to all of life. But as I will demonstrate in a separate blog, this is not what he teaches. He makes it seem like critics accuse him of theocracy and all he needs to say is "we just want Christians bringing blessings of kingdom to the world." But this is not true. Yes it is true that he does not endorse theocracy----No, he does not have a view just like most Christians. These statements need to be challenged.

His idea of when and when not to believe a prophet’s prophecy is troubling and his admission of false prophecies happening raises questions about this ministry. Demonic power being partly in the Statue of Liberty—how does that even work? How can he even ponder that something would be partly demon powered? Isn’t that kind of like being partly pregnant? Doesn’t this just raise serious questions of what these people mean by territorial spirits? It is scary that Governor Brownback of Oklahoma has participated as governor in ceremonies that were participating in these kinds of views.

Important point about Wagner and Haggard----Haggard was deeply invested in Wagner’s and Cindy Jacobs’ vision of spirituality and ministry at the time he was becoming the kind of leader that would be chosen as president of National Association of Evangelicals (NAE). If that is true, then how do mainstream evangelicals go about continuing to deny the influence of Wagner and NAR on our community? How do you declare something marginal when the president of the NAE was so deeply invested in and connected to Wagner?

Terry Gross keeps coming back to Cindy Jacobs. It is important to note that Cindy Jacobs, who Wagner says is spiritually under his authority, is a part of the leadership team of Samuel Rodriguez’s NHCLC and was with Rodriguez on the small leadership team of the Oak Initiative.

The idea that Wagner is so close to Thomas Muthee, and that Muthee was a part of the influential Transformation Video movement, demonstrates why there should have been so much more investigation of NAR in the evangelical media for the last four years. Here we had, via Muthee’s public work with Sarah Palin in 2008 (interesting how Wagner bluntly says Muthee should not have been public about it), a major story that should have led religious media to dig into NAR. Instead, just as now, so many were quick to portray people troubled by Muthee’s praying with Palin as paranoid secularists who constantly are worried about theocracy. The clear journalistic response that it would have been nice to have seen a few more evangelical journalists embrace would have been to dig deeper into the story. Maybe if we had done that, this Perry Response event would never have happened with NAR leadership and we would not have needed Terry Gross and NPR to do the work of explaining this movement to America. I have a big problem with the failure of the Christian community to have covered this movement with any degree of curiosity and competency over the last four years. The Palin event with NAR should really have been the wake up call. Lets hope that this time around we do the hard work of understanding, explaining and where need be confronting this movement and its ideas.

Monday, October 3, 2011

Wagner’s NAR 101: The Demonic World






I will be providing basic information and links about C. Peter Wagner’s New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) in light of the major interview that he has given to Terry Gross on NPR’s Fresh Air. There is a great deal of confusion and denial about what Wagner believes and the impact of NAR on the global Christian movement generally and American evangelicalism particularly. At the very least, it is worth knowing the basics of this man’s beliefs and his organization’s vision whatever one might think about its significance. I will be providing excerpts here from the Fresh Air interview (FA), his book Dominion! (D,) and his book Spiritual Warfare Strategy (SWS). The page numbers for Dominion! refer to the 2008 hardcover edition by Chosen/Baker Books. The page numbers of Spiritual Warfare Strategy refer to the ibook edition of his 1996 book with Destiny Image Publishers.

Wagner regularly says and writes that he thinks the most controversy NAR has faced within the Christian community has been from its apostolic structure. If that has been the case up until now, it is only because Christians have not known the full range of his beliefs and practices concerning spiritual warfare. As these beliefs are more widely known I expect that they will be met with widespread shock and considerable rebuke. Those who have chosen to associate themselves with Wagner and these practices will have a lot more explaining to do than they have up until now.

While most traditional Christians of whatever denomination or theology affirm the reality of spiritually forces of evil, and might well see themselves involved at some level in spiritual warfare, the particular beliefs and practices of NAR in this area reach way beyond traditional Christianity. Though dated, this 1998 piece in Christianity Today shows how widespread some of these practices were even then. More than a decade later, and in light of the direction Wagner has taken some of these idea, it is time for sustained examination and analysis of the beliefs and practices outlined below.

IDENTIFYING AND LOCATING DEMONS

Wagner speaks and writes regularly with a certain of matter of fact tone about the identity and personality of demons, and the spheres over which they have influence.

On the tsunami and nuclear meltdown in Japan being connected to the emperor of Japan having sex with the sun goddess "That happened many, many years ago, and that created a spiritual atmosphere over Japan which was an atmosphere ruled by the powers of darkness. The sun goddess is not a very nice lady. The sun goddess is a power of darkness, which is headed up by the kingdom of Satan. And so the sun goddess wants natural disasters to come to Japan. Sometimes the hand of God, which is more powerful, will prevent them. And when he decides to prevent them and when he doesn't is far beyond anything that we can predict…But in this case, God could have prevented that tsunami and the destruction, but he didn't. He just took his hand off and allowed these natural forces to work. And one of the background pieces of information is Japan is under control of the sun goddess." (FA) For more on Wagner’s beliefs about the Japanese sun goddess, see here 
“When you talk about demons over cities, we're talking about what — sometimes what we refer to as territorial spirits, and they're more high-ranking spirits in the hierarchy of darkness and they're more powerful and they require different approaches, and it's not as easy as commanding them to leave in the name of Jesus… There are certain individuals in our whole movement that have special gifts for doing that, and they're helping lead the way in weakening the power of the spirits.” (FA)


"Sometimes they know. Sometimes the demon has identified itself to the person. Sometimes you can tell by manifestations of superhuman, un-human behavior. Sometimes you can tell by skilled deliverance ministers. My wife has a five-page questionnaire that she has people fill out before she ministers to them. So she asks the kind of questions that a medical doctor would ask to find out, to diagnose an illness. So she actually does diagnostic work on people to discover not only if they have demons, but what those demons might be.” (FA)
“Very few of us, particularly in the United States and other nations of the western world, had even so much as heard [terms]…such as spiritual warfare, territorial spirits…spiritual mapping, warfare prayer, tearing down strongholds…during our seminary or Bible school days. Many of these terms were coined in the 1990s. It is understandable, therefore, that such innovative concepts would require considerable processing, especially among those of more conservative temperaments.” (SWS, 12)

Ground-level spiritual warfare involves casting demons out of people…Occult-level spiritual warfare deals with demonic forces released through activities related to Satanism, witchcraft, Freemasonry, Eastern religions, New Age, shamanism, astrology, and many other forms of structured occultism.” (SWS, 19)

“Strategic-level spiritual warfare describes confrontation with high-ranking principalities and powers…These enemy forces are frequently called ‘territorial spirits’ because they attempt to keep large numbers of humans networked through cities, nations, neighborhoods, people groups, religious allegiance, industries, or any other form of human society in spiritual captivity.” (SWS, 19)

“We must target our prayers: spiritual mapping. We know that when praying for individuals, the more specific and pointed our prayers can be, the more effective they are. The same applies to our communities, and our prayers now can be more precisely targeted through skillful spiritual mapping.” (SWS, 26-27)

Individuals exist today with a gift of prophetic espionage. Certain people…have been given a hunting instinct to track down the enemy’s manipulations.” (Quoting Sjoberg on 27 of SWS)

Wagner says it was these kinds of beliefs that got him called before the Fuller Seminary Faculty Senate in 1990. (D, 121) He elsewhere claims he would have been fired if he had not had tenure. This conflict seems like a significant moment in the development of his ideas about spiritual warfare. (page 114 of this link)

In addition to these beliefs about spiritual mapping, Wagner has also faced serious questions in the past about his extraordinary practice of, or at least claims to have been, learning about specific characteristics and personalities of demons through interviews with people “about the reality of the spirit world in which they have gained considerable experience” because of their interaction with the demonic world. He believes “we can indeed get valid information form the world of darkness.” Here are two key quotes about this:

“These non-Christian sources, of course, must be evaluated with much prayerful scrutiny and caution. Still, we must keep in mind that the spirit world to which they are dedicated is a real world, not the figment of their ‘heathen’ imaginations. Therefore, some things about it can be accurately known. A particularly important source of credible information may be those occult practitioners who have been born again and filled with the Holy Spirit.” (SWS, 61)

“Some have raised the question of whether we can receive valid information from demons themselves. Demons are portrayed in the Bible as beings who have personalities and intelligence, and as beings who can and do speak. They are also portrayed as deceivers. It must therefore be concluded that they do possess some valid information. The question then becomes, ‘Does any of this valid information get communicated to us when they speak?’ Obviously so, but discernment is needed to process whatever we hear from them in order to separate truth from falsehood. I once heard Ed Murphy point out this very interesting fact: Every time the words of a demon are recorded in the New Testament, they speak the truth! Is this not biblical evidence that we can indeed get valid information from the world of darkness?” (SWS, 61)

CONCLUSION

Wagner’s efforts to defend these ideas is at times weak, but at other times he does show a level of sophistication and historical knowledge that raises interesting questions. Most notable is his attempt in chapter 4 of SWS to show historical precedent in the history of Christianity for his concept of strategic-level spiritual warfare. He utilizes Ramsay MacMullen of Yale’s highly regarded book with Oxford University Press, Christianizing the Roman Empire, to make a provocative case that the types of practices he is encouraging were a part of the early Church’s evangelization of Rome. Wagner makes an interesting, if ultimately unpersuasive, case that important figures like Gregory the Wonderworker, Martin of Tours, Boniface and Saint Benedict were doing what he is now encouraging everyone to do in terms of spiritual warfare with territorial spirits. I mention this because one of the most striking things I have seen in my research and conversation about Wagner is the degree to which he is underestimated and dismissed as a nut that no one serious would take seriously. I think his ideas can be and must be refuted, but I do think they are serious ideas that demand sustained attention and engagement. People like me who write about their concern about Wagner are often thought to have a low view of the intelligence of evangelicals if we think large numbers of evangelicals would actually believe the concepts Wagner is teaching. That is not the case for me at all. There is a certain pseudo-intellectualism running through Wagner’s work that sets it apart from the influence of a Jimmy Swaggart or Oral Roberts of days past. Intellectuals and scholars who have avoided engaging with Wagner because they think it at some level unnecessary or beneath them would do well to spend some time reading at least one of his many recent books. They will see ideas being presented, not mere emotions being manipulated, and it is to those ideas that we must pay more careful attention.

Monday, September 26, 2011

Tabachnick’s Plea to Evangelical Leaders


 As I have said repeatedly publicly and in private correspondence, Rachel Tabachnick is a voice that evangelicals need to listen to. Although I thought she and Talk to Action overstated some of their points, the more I study and the more that they address my concerns with overwhelming evidence, the more credible their charges appear. What continues to trouble me is that there is still relative silence from mainstream evangelical publications and blogs about the substance of her work on the New Apostolic Reformation, dominionism, spiritual mapping, C. Peter Wagner, Governor Perry’s Response prayer rally, etc. The article I wrote for Patheos on how all of this applied to a very significant evangelical Pentecostal leader, the Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, has gotten some attention, but none of it from bloggers or publications of the evangelical mainstream. So I want to join my voice with Rachel’s and agree wholeheartedly with this statement of hers:
“It is time for those evangelicals who do not want others to lump them together with the NAR and their activities, to quit attacking the messengers who are warning of this threat to religious pluralism and separation of church and state. Attacking the messengers will only add to the perception that other evangelicals support the Dominionist agenda of the NAR. Denials and suppression of this information will only help advance the steady march of the NAR into more communities, churches, and denominations.”



Saturday, September 24, 2011

Tabachnick was Right, I was Wrong and Why it Matters

It is late on a Saturday night, but I have to write up this blog because Rachel Tabachnick has an important new post up that deserves my immediate response as it directly challenges things Rev. Rodriguez said to me and it refutes questionsI have raised about Truth to Action's reporting.

If you are a regular reader of this blog and my other writings you will by now have read my praise for Tabachnick and the Talk to Action website team that she reports with. More than any other single source, they have shaped the national conversation on the Religious Right over the last two months. At a crucial point this summer, when important questions about the troubling links between Governor Perry, Michelle Bachmann and the New Apostolic Reformation threatened to be derailed by shallow reporting in the mainstream media and a defensive posture from conservative and Christian journalists, Tabachnick gave an extraordinary interview with Tery Gross on NPR’s Fresh Air. Suddenly to any one who had ears to hear it became clear that Perry and Bachmann did not represent “more of the same” evangelical conservatism, and criticism of them was not “more of the same” secular paranoia. Gross’s interview with Tabachnick led me and countless others to the mountain of solid research that Tabachnick, Frederick Clarkson and Bruce Wilson have been doing for years on the New Apostolic Reformation’s frightening ideology and growing influence.

In the course of my reading I was particularly struck by Tabachnick’s reporting on Rev. Samuel Rodriguez. This led to a series of conversations and emails that I reported on in my Patheos article on Rev. Rodriguez’s decision to resign from the controversial Oak Initiative. In the course of that reporting I became troubled by Tabachnick’s assertions that Rodriguez was also a member of the New Apostolic Reformation. My discussions with him, and phone calls that I made to the International Coalition of Apostles (ICA) had led me to the conclusion that although Rodriguez had at one time been a part of the ICA that involvement was peripheral to his ministry and was, at any rate, not the same as being a part of the New Apostolic Reformation. To be honest, I felt like Talk to Action was overstating the case in a way that was unfairly damaging to Rodriguez. In a blog piece I did at this blog, I went so far as to say that I felt like there was a touch of MacCarthyism in these charges.

This is where I was wrong. I underestimated Tabachnick’s reporting and she and her colleagues have now made a clear and compelling case that Rev. Rodriguez had, to be perfectly blunt, been deceiving me in two significant ways: 1) He was much more involved in the Oak Initiative then his statements to me indicated and 2) He has, in substantive and demonstrable ways, spoken and acted in ways that make the charge of his embrace of New Apostolic Reformation practices and ideology legitimate.

Why should you care? Well, first of all because I did something that I regularly criticize others for doing—I used language to describe someone when I had not done the homework necessary to justify the charge. Before accusing someone of McCarthyism, I should have been more certain of Rodriguez’s claims and my own suspicions. In fairness to myself, some of the facts had not been as clearly stated when I wrote the charge as they have been now, but truthful witness is vital to a healthy citizenry and Church, and I now see that my accusation was wrong. But you should also care because what Tabachnick is saying about Rodriguez is significant. It challenges the assumption held by many in the evangelical community that the New Apostolic Reformation is a fringe group with little genuine appeal and success. When you read her most recent reports you can’t help but conclude that the evidence of radicalization of the evangelical movement is stronger than even I have been reporting.

All of which is to say: 

“Rachel, you are an even stronger reporter than I realized and your determined reporting deserves even greater respect than I had shown. You have opened my eyes and expanded my vision. I’m sure I will have my disagreements with you and Talk to Action in the future, but I will be more thorough in my own reporting even when challenging you all to do the same. I hope more and more people encounter your work and call individuals and institutions to account for their words and actions.”

“Rev. Rodriguez, I still hope that you are committed to the ideals that I quoted you saying at the start of my Patheos article. You are a gifted man with much good to share. But you have to be honest and transparent about your associations and alliances, and you have to stop saying one thing to one audience and another thing to another audience. I appreciate your decision to resign from the Oak Initiative, but there is much more to be done if you are to justify the trust and praise that so many have given you.”