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Saturday, October 29, 2011
Wednesday, October 26, 2011
"Wagner was a professor at Fuller when I was a student there. I never took a class from him, as I am highly dubious of his brand of Christianity, but many of my peers did. Wagner’s classes were rife with healings (usually leg-lengthenings) and maps showing the “territorial demons” that had carved up Los Angeles County for their dominions. He played audio tapes in his class that he had recorded during exorcisms." (emphasis in the original)
The comment section on Jones' post is also very interesting to read. One writer defends Wagner saying "I think if you had a personal conversation with Peter Wagner you might find him to be a nice, gentle and warmhearted guy, who also has an intellectual side to his personality.We don’t have to agree with all of his theology, especially his politics, but we love the 'multiple streams' and perspectives that characterize the Body of Christ." In response, the researcher Bruce Wilson replies "The point, for me at least, concerns not Peter Wagner as a personality but, rather, Wagner’s ideas...I grew up in a Christian tradition which emphasized that the message of Jesus, and the way to follow him, was to work for peace. C. Peter Wagner’s sense of Christianity is very, very, different. He seems to view the church at war–both with entire geographic regions (and the people therein, it would seem) and with whole world religious traditions. There is nothing wrong with evangelizing. But there is a difference, I would submit, between evangelizing and the eradication of all competing belief systems."
These are the kinds of exchanges and discussions we need to have if we are going to really come to grips with this key question: Is Wagner's NAR something Christians should view as "just another stream" or is it something to be resisted as a dangerous trend for both the church and state?
Tuesday, October 25, 2011
In a piece aptly titled "Holy See vs. Laissez Faire", Michael Sean Winters says:
there is no denying that the document’s economic vision is somewhere to the left of the most vigorously leftie politicians in this country. Can you imagine the cries of tyranny that would emanate from the Tea Party crowd if it were President Obama, rather than Pope Benedict XVI, who was calling for an international organization with oversight powers over the financial sector?...Kudos to Cardinal Turkson and the Holy Father for calling the world’s attention to the barbarism in our midst and pointing us towards a different set of values than those that govern Wall Street and insisting on the proposition that human reason can through instruments of public governance be brought to bear on the economy.
Update from Southern Kordofan, Sudan
November 10, 2011
On November 10, 2011 at 1:30pm a large UN Helicopter landed in Yida Refugee Camp in Unity State, South Sudan, to deliver food to the camp for the first time since the camp was started. After unloading the food, The UN Helicopter took off at about 2:40pm and another UN personnel aircraft landed at the Yida Airstrip 5 minutes later. Immediately at 2:55pm local time, the Sudan Armed Forces bombed the Yida refugee camp. A single Antonov plane made two strafes on the refugee camp. On the first strafe the plane dropped 2 large bombs that landed just on the northern outskirts of the camp. On the second strafe the plane dropped an addition 2 bombs on the camp. The last bomb landed in the middle of the camp school yard but did not explode. The primary school was in session with over 300 students in the school yard. If the bomb had exploded it would have killed and wounded many children. No one was injured or killed by the bombings.
This blog will be updated as new stories appear. For now, here are the main aspects of the story.
Friday, October 21, 2011
1) To make clear that way before Perry's Response made NAR and C. Peter Wagner political issues, NAR and C. Peter Wagner were theological issues.
2) To make clear that the attempts by some in the media to make concern over NAR a result of Tabachnick's supposed obsession with the group, rather than a legitimate concern rooted in careful analysis and theological concern, are belied by the fact that these conservative Christian groups have been concerned about NAR for reasons much different from Rachel's.
3) To encourage Christian readers of my blogs to explore the vast literature online about NAR's beliefs for themselves.
4) To challenge directly Wagner's recent prayer letter signaling out Talk to Action as the source of criticism of NAR and stating that they were tools of demonic powers. If she is serving the devil then all these Christian folk are too.
5) To demonstrate the depth of research and analysis that Rachel has engaged in to arrive at her judgments. As she comes under increasing scrutiny, people should know the work that she has put into her reporting.
With those fivethings in mind, here is what Rachel has posted so far about other sources of information about NAR. Neither she or I mean to endorse all these links, but rather want to make them more widely available for consideration.
Some of these links are from organizations with significant followings and some are from individual writers. There are factual errors in some of these posts linked below. Some are written from a worldview in which the NAR is feared as the apostate church of the end times and even lumped together with "liberal" churches or as a plot of the Catholic church. However, the writers in the links below have monitored the NAR for years and document a long history of concern about the movement from a number of different conservative Christian perspectives.
The posts on the NAR at www.deceptioninthechurch.com go back at least as far as 1998.
The video at right is produced by Sandy Simpson and the Apologetics Coordination Team. Read an overview at this website.
Apologetics Index on the NAR
Who Invented Dominionism?
Assemblies of God
End Time Revival-Spirit-Led and Spirit-Controlled: A Response Paper to Resolution 16 (2000)
Deliver Us From Evil Consultation Papers (2000)
Gaining Perspective on Territorial Spirits, by Scott Moreau
Do Demons Have Zip Codes? (July 13, 1998)
Spiritual Mapping in the United States and Argentina, 1989 - 2005, by René Holvast (2009)
Based on Holvast's dissertation for the University of Utrecht, this is a "comprehensive historical-descriptive approach of both the movement and the concept, with special attention for theological and anthropological concepts."
The Road to Holocaust: Unchecked the Dominion Theology movement among Christians could lead us - and Israel- to disaster
Hal Lindsey (1989)
Lindsey is a Dispensationalist and graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary. He wrote in 1989 about the growth of Dominionism, including the introduction of Reconstructionism into Charismatic ministries by way of Gary North and David Chilton.
Let us Reason
This ministry has numerous posts on the NAR, including this on on the Manifest Sons of God theology found in Charismatic Dominionism.
Numerous posts including this one on Manifest Sons of God theology.
Herescope has posts on Manifest Sons of God theology and numerous other issues concerning the NAR.
Herescope 2002 post on "Geographical Heresies of the New Apostolic Reformation"
Herescope post on Rick Perry's The Response
Orrel Steinkamp's work is posted on numerous websites. This website, View From the Bunker begins with this quote, "To Dominionists, Jesus' return to Earth is on hold, waiting for us to conquer it first."
Orrel Steinkamp in Critical Issues Commentary in 2001
Counterfeit Revival by Hank Hanegraaff, 1997
Christian Research Institute
"Joel's Army Marches On"
Critique of "Covering Theology"
Strategic Level Spiritual Warfare: A Modern Mythology
Websites Debunking the Transformations Movies
Brannon Howse and Worldview Weekend
Howse has regularly featured post on the NAR over the last few months.
Promotion for Brannon Howse audio,
Exposing Joel's Army Part One: One news headline recently declared, "Rick Perry bases call for national salvation on `Joel's army' Cult". The New Apostolic Reformation believes in the "Manifested Sons of God" also known as "Joel's Army" or "supermen" a "Superman race" a "new breed". This is the belief that members of the NAR will evolve into literally being Christ on earth, sinless, immortal, and able to raise the dead, Judge the church and nations and form a new government. This is nothing less than New Age, pagan spirituality. The NAR takes Joel 2 out of context to build their "Joel's Army" Gnosticism and yet Governor Perry of Texas is working with NAR members for his August 6, 2011 prayer rally and he is using Joel 2 as the justification for this rally. Why are Christian and pro-family leaders entering into a spiritual enterprise with false teachers that were rejected by the Assemblies of God 40 years ago for its cultish beliefs? Does Perry think his uniting with such paganism will make him more appealing to Christian voters?
Worldview Weekend post on what happened when they spoke to "New Religious Right" leaders about their work with the NAR.
Ernie Gruen, a charismatic pastor in Kansas City, compiled a 233-page report on the Kansas City Prophets, which included Mike Bickle, Paul Cain, Bob Jones, and others. The title of the report is "Documentation of the Aberrant Practices and Teachings of Kansas City Fellowship" and it initiated a huge controversy in 1990.
This is the accompanying January 20, 1990 audio of Gruen titled, "Do We Keep Smiling and Say Nothing?"
Christian Research Journal on the controversy over the Kansas City Prophets
Slaughter of the Sheep blog on "The Dominon Mandate"
Charismatic Chaos, by John MacArthur (1993)
MacArthur described C. Peter Wagner and John Wimber's Third Wave in 1993
A Charismatic Catholic critique of the New Apostolic Reformation
Churchmouse Campanologist on C. Peter Wagner
Doctrine of Demons, by Tricia Tillin
This is an extensive article in 12 segments about the New Apostolic pardigm and its roots in the Latter Rain Movement. (Scroll down to "Latter Rain/Sonship & Dominion Teachings.")
Eastern Regional Watch
New Apostolic Reformation/Second Apostolic Age
Bene Diction Blogs On - Canada
"The Superman Theology of the International Christian Embassy's Feast of Tabernacles"
The Berean Call
"Damnable Heresies Entering the Church," by Marsha West
A Review of C. Peter Wagner's Confronting the Powers, by John F. Hart, Moody Bible Institute, 1997
The Third Wave Worldview: A Biblical Critique
Direction Journal, Fall 2000 (Mennonite Brethren)http://www.directionjournal.org/article/?1055
In Plain Site
"Dominion Theology: The Stench and Foul Smell of Joel's Army"
Pastoral Care Ministries
"Spiritual Mapping: A Misguided Focus on the Demonic," by Leanne Payne
Critical Issues Commentary
Roots and Fruits of the New Apostolic Reformation
Part 1A - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8GswRs6tKk&feature=related
Part 3C - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBu4lmd2fEA&feature=related
Andrew Strom's "Kundalini Warning"
Part One -http://www.youtube.com/user/JohnTheBaptistTV#p/a/u/2/eBpw2oQrvMM
Part Two -http://www.youtube.com/user/JohnTheBaptistTV#p/a/u/1/BCcGaTRwG_4
Part Three -http://www.youtube.com/user/JohnTheBaptistTV#p/a/u/0/dWeUNoR30_0
Apostolic Reformation Part 1
Why Spiritual Warfare Does Not Deliver
The Shocking History of Spiritual Warfare
Overview of Frank Weston Sanford's similar spiritual warfare in the early 1900s